[Magdalen] Mass nightclub shooting.

[Lynn Ronkainen]

factual sobriety

great phrase!
L

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From: "Molly Wolf" <lupa at kos.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 7:43 PM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Mass nightclub shooting.

> Absolutely. The intertribal wars were brutal, as were the frontier wars 
> between Aboriginal peoples and European settlers.
>
> None of which diminishes the horror of the Orlando massacre, especially 
> because it scrambles together so many hot-button issues. But after 
> exposure to Trumpery, I've become passionately attached to factual 
> sobriety.
>
> Molly
>
>
>
> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no 
> other way. -- Mark Twain
>
>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net> wrote:
>>
>> And also Indians killing other Indians, and Indians killing European 
>> settlers.  Don't just give a quick glance at Molly's link: read through 
>> it.
>>
>> It's not just a liberal guilt thing.  Humans are like that.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/12/16 6:50 PM, Molly Wolf wrote:
>>> Forgive me, but as both a history major and an editor, "worst mass 
>>> shooting in American history" still doesn't parse. It's the worst mass 
>>> shooting in the U.S. in this century. I think if you looked into U.S. 
>>> Black or Native history, you'd find worse.
>>>
>>> I'm not just nitpicking.  It's important to fact-check statement about 
>>> history,
>>>
>>> Molly
>>>
>>> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in 
>>> no other way. -- Mark Twain
>>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 7:33 PM, M J _Mike_ Logsdon <mjl at ix.netcom.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> That's the arrogance of a privileged white perspective.<<<
>>>>
>>>> And also the natural result of thinking in terms of what is currently 
>>>> happening, regardless of what history teaches us.  The relations and 
>>>> loved ones of those lost today in Orlando are not thinking in terms of, 
>>>> or guilty of, "privileged white perspective".  Of course, the U.S. has 
>>>> done worse, when the context is expanded.
>>>>
>>>> In current context, no one is wrong for saying this is the worst mass 
>>>> shooting in U.S. history.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sibyl Smirl
>> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
>> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
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